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	<title>Comments on: Fox News Austin: CYCLISTS ARE THE PROBLEM!</title>
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		<title>By: T Miller</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2008/10/02/fox-news-austin-cyclists-are-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-5320</link>
		<dc:creator>T Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You called FOX&#039;s reporting an outright attack on cyclists?  Having been part of an organized ride this past weekend I can see EXACTLY where they are coming from.

Over 1100 participants were on hand for this event.  All were told to obey the rules of the road and be courteous and they were anything but.  Most (not all) violated more traffic laws in the space of 30 minutes than I have ever witnessed in a full day.  Stop signs were treated as non-existent.  I watched 25 to 30 riders blow through the red light at FM 1327 when cross traffic was coming and clearly had the right of way.  Instead of staying to the right and allowing traffic to pass vehicles were blocked in for miles.  When you were asked to move to the right you grudgingly did so and as soon as the officer was gone you moved right back out into the lane.  One of the police motorcyclists that was shepherding the event had a cyclist pull in front of him and he wrecked his motorcycle rather than hit him.  The cyclist involved continued to ride away even though he was clearly at fault in the accident.  When I turned around at the county line and began to ride the route backwards checking to make sure things were fine  I met several riders head on in a blind curve.  Glad I was on my Harley or you would be a hood ornament (if you read this you will know who you are).

You say you want motorists to &quot;share the road&quot; with you yet you hold yourselves to a different standard.  When confronted with your behavior you become indignant and use the &quot;but I&#039;m on a bicycle&quot; line.  Having ridden two wheeled vehicles most of my life (powered and pedaled) I understand the concept of not being seen and having to be hyper vigilant when I ride.  In all of my years however I have never witnessed such a blatant disregard for the rights of other people on the roadway.  If any of the foregoing applies to you, Grandpa said it best...&quot;Practice what you, preach.&quot;  If it doesnt&#039; apply to you I&#039;m sure you know riders that it does apply to maybe a friendly reminder from you might help.

I&#039;m off my soap box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You called FOX&#8217;s reporting an outright attack on cyclists?  Having been part of an organized ride this past weekend I can see EXACTLY where they are coming from.</p>
<p>Over 1100 participants were on hand for this event.  All were told to obey the rules of the road and be courteous and they were anything but.  Most (not all) violated more traffic laws in the space of 30 minutes than I have ever witnessed in a full day.  Stop signs were treated as non-existent.  I watched 25 to 30 riders blow through the red light at FM 1327 when cross traffic was coming and clearly had the right of way.  Instead of staying to the right and allowing traffic to pass vehicles were blocked in for miles.  When you were asked to move to the right you grudgingly did so and as soon as the officer was gone you moved right back out into the lane.  One of the police motorcyclists that was shepherding the event had a cyclist pull in front of him and he wrecked his motorcycle rather than hit him.  The cyclist involved continued to ride away even though he was clearly at fault in the accident.  When I turned around at the county line and began to ride the route backwards checking to make sure things were fine  I met several riders head on in a blind curve.  Glad I was on my Harley or you would be a hood ornament (if you read this you will know who you are).</p>
<p>You say you want motorists to &#8220;share the road&#8221; with you yet you hold yourselves to a different standard.  When confronted with your behavior you become indignant and use the &#8220;but I&#8217;m on a bicycle&#8221; line.  Having ridden two wheeled vehicles most of my life (powered and pedaled) I understand the concept of not being seen and having to be hyper vigilant when I ride.  In all of my years however I have never witnessed such a blatant disregard for the rights of other people on the roadway.  If any of the foregoing applies to you, Grandpa said it best&#8230;&#8221;Practice what you, preach.&#8221;  If it doesnt&#8217; apply to you I&#8217;m sure you know riders that it does apply to maybe a friendly reminder from you might help.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m off my soap box.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Bike Projects for Stimulus Bill pass council &#124; Austin Bike Blog</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2008/10/02/fox-news-austin-cyclists-are-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1330</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin Bike Projects for Stimulus Bill pass council &#124; Austin Bike Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In addition to these items, the Council also approved a pilot test of bicycle sharrows and bike boxes in the coming year. This is a major step in making it clear that bikes belong in traffic and will serve as a visual cue to drivers to make room for cyclists. Last night, Rebecca Taylor with KEYE 42 covered this story with video below. Needless to say, this is a much better than the recent coverage of cyclists by Fox 7. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In addition to these items, the Council also approved a pilot test of bicycle sharrows and bike boxes in the coming year. This is a major step in making it clear that bikes belong in traffic and will serve as a visual cue to drivers to make room for cyclists. Last night, Rebecca Taylor with KEYE 42 covered this story with video below. Needless to say, this is a much better than the recent coverage of cyclists by Fox 7. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Wald</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2008/10/02/fox-news-austin-cyclists-are-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1184</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Wald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to mention that the blog comment medium allows for little subtlety.

I wrote:  &quot;These deaths are caused by motorists, plain and simple.&quot;  I won&#039;t be able to provide a thoroughly nuanced explanation of this.  My primary point here is that:  1) Nearly all multi-person traffic deaths only happened because of a motor vehicle (regardless of whether the motorist is at &quot;fault&quot;),  2) In addition, many or most multi-person traffic collisions require both/all parties to be doing something less than ideally safe in how they are driving/biking/walking -- going too fast for conditions, not paying enough attention, not signaling intentions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to mention that the blog comment medium allows for little subtlety.</p>
<p>I wrote:  &#8220;These deaths are caused by motorists, plain and simple.&#8221;  I won&#8217;t be able to provide a thoroughly nuanced explanation of this.  My primary point here is that:  1) Nearly all multi-person traffic deaths only happened because of a motor vehicle (regardless of whether the motorist is at &#8220;fault&#8221;),  2) In addition, many or most multi-person traffic collisions require both/all parties to be doing something less than ideally safe in how they are driving/biking/walking &#8212; going too fast for conditions, not paying enough attention, not signaling intentions.</p>
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		<title>By: D'Amico</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2008/10/02/fox-news-austin-cyclists-are-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1183</link>
		<dc:creator>D'Amico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just FYI Chris, that was Preston Tyree, a League of American Bicyclist (LAB) instructor....not someone from our organization, the League of Bicycling Voters (LOBV).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just FYI Chris, that was Preston Tyree, a League of American Bicyclist (LAB) instructor&#8230;.not someone from our organization, the League of Bicycling Voters (LOBV).</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Wald</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2008/10/02/fox-news-austin-cyclists-are-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1181</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Wald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I think you need to be a bit more careful.  From what organization is the representative whom you quoted?

There is certainly no LOBV rep in that video.  Watch it again.

http://lobv.org/

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Is the news story balanced? Ask yourself this:  Would you expect to see a local Fox news story on how 95+% motorists, including the reporter, anchor, former mayors, need to start taking responsibility for 60 deaths/year and 20K injuries/year in Austin?  These deaths are caused by motorists, plain and simple.  Indeed, non-motorists play a role in a fraction of those, but it takes two.

Why not have a news story that frankly recognizes that the real danger to humans are cars themselves?  Yes, it is important to emphasize that bicyclists need to follow traffic laws, but motorists and pedestrians in the UT area are just as misbehaved.  The bicycle mode is easy to pick on.

That said, I&#039;ve seen worse from local news stations and this particular Fox News story didn&#039;t stand out as particularly bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I think you need to be a bit more careful.  From what organization is the representative whom you quoted?</p>
<p>There is certainly no LOBV rep in that video.  Watch it again.</p>
<p><a href="http://lobv.org/" rel="nofollow">http://lobv.org/</a></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Is the news story balanced? Ask yourself this:  Would you expect to see a local Fox news story on how 95+% motorists, including the reporter, anchor, former mayors, need to start taking responsibility for 60 deaths/year and 20K injuries/year in Austin?  These deaths are caused by motorists, plain and simple.  Indeed, non-motorists play a role in a fraction of those, but it takes two.</p>
<p>Why not have a news story that frankly recognizes that the real danger to humans are cars themselves?  Yes, it is important to emphasize that bicyclists need to follow traffic laws, but motorists and pedestrians in the UT area are just as misbehaved.  The bicycle mode is easy to pick on.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;ve seen worse from local news stations and this particular Fox News story didn&#8217;t stand out as particularly bad.</p>
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		<title>By: John Berry</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2008/10/02/fox-news-austin-cyclists-are-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1152</link>
		<dc:creator>John Berry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Katherine:  

So I pay $46.80 a year to register my car and you want me to pay $50 a year as well to register my bicycle.   I&#039;m sorry, but that&#039;s unacceptable under any standard of fairness.  

Since a public road is, by definition, for the benefit of ALL of the public, no matter what their mode of transportation, the fact that bicycles have &quot;taken over&quot; the county roads and Parmer Lane just means that, for a change, car drivers are in the minority out there.  So drive carefully.

You might also reflect that, by living 30 miles out, you are part of the problem:  part of the cause of the national trade deficit, part of the cause of the national military weakness, part of the cause of the region&#039;s looming non-compliance with air quality standards, part of the cause of the regional traffic congestion, part of the reason for new public roads to be toll-ways.  Be a patriot - move closer in. Be a superpatriot - ride a bicycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katherine:  </p>
<p>So I pay $46.80 a year to register my car and you want me to pay $50 a year as well to register my bicycle.   I&#8217;m sorry, but that&#8217;s unacceptable under any standard of fairness.  </p>
<p>Since a public road is, by definition, for the benefit of ALL of the public, no matter what their mode of transportation, the fact that bicycles have &#8220;taken over&#8221; the county roads and Parmer Lane just means that, for a change, car drivers are in the minority out there.  So drive carefully.</p>
<p>You might also reflect that, by living 30 miles out, you are part of the problem:  part of the cause of the national trade deficit, part of the cause of the national military weakness, part of the cause of the region&#8217;s looming non-compliance with air quality standards, part of the cause of the regional traffic congestion, part of the reason for new public roads to be toll-ways.  Be a patriot &#8211; move closer in. Be a superpatriot &#8211; ride a bicycle.</p>
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		<title>By: katherine</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2008/10/02/fox-news-austin-cyclists-are-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bikers are a problem everywhere.  I live almost 30 miles out, and I can assure they have taken over the county roads and the new Parmer Lane extension on weekends.  The solution.  Those bikes need to be registered as are cars.  $50.00 per year seems reasonable to me.  They also need to have insurance.  Bike lanes can be built with the registration money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bikers are a problem everywhere.  I live almost 30 miles out, and I can assure they have taken over the county roads and the new Parmer Lane extension on weekends.  The solution.  Those bikes need to be registered as are cars.  $50.00 per year seems reasonable to me.  They also need to have insurance.  Bike lanes can be built with the registration money.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2008/10/02/fox-news-austin-cyclists-are-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marcus - I guess we&#039;ll simply have to agree to disagree on this one.  I went back and watched the clip yet again.  I agree that the story highlights that some cyclists don&#039;t follow the rules, which is an accurate statement.  From the LOBV rep, &quot;You have to obey th traffic laws just as if you&#039;re operating a motor vehicle.&quot;  However, the reporter points out that issues with safety, etc. are a bigger problem where no bike lanes exist (an important message reinforcing the need for more bike lanes).  When asked a potentially leading question about looking for &quot;violators&quot;, the Austin police officer clearly states that they will be on the look out for EVERYONE violating traffic laws whether they be automobiles, pedestrians, or bicyles.

I get the sense that you&#039;re so used to hearing cyclists bashed that the story has to actually favor cyclists and demonize automobiles for you to consider it to be balanced.  Do we need affirmative action for news coverage regarding cyclists to reverse the wrongs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcus &#8211; I guess we&#8217;ll simply have to agree to disagree on this one.  I went back and watched the clip yet again.  I agree that the story highlights that some cyclists don&#8217;t follow the rules, which is an accurate statement.  From the LOBV rep, &#8220;You have to obey th traffic laws just as if you&#8217;re operating a motor vehicle.&#8221;  However, the reporter points out that issues with safety, etc. are a bigger problem where no bike lanes exist (an important message reinforcing the need for more bike lanes).  When asked a potentially leading question about looking for &#8220;violators&#8221;, the Austin police officer clearly states that they will be on the look out for EVERYONE violating traffic laws whether they be automobiles, pedestrians, or bicyles.</p>
<p>I get the sense that you&#8217;re so used to hearing cyclists bashed that the story has to actually favor cyclists and demonize automobiles for you to consider it to be balanced.  Do we need affirmative action for news coverage regarding cyclists to reverse the wrongs?</p>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2008/10/02/fox-news-austin-cyclists-are-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator>marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I have to completely disagree with that, Chris. The story only mentions cars for about ten seconds. That is NOT a realization that both sides need education about coexisting on the road. This story does nothing but reinforce the &quot;outlaw&quot; image of cyclists and deligitimizes them in the eyes of drivers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I have to completely disagree with that, Chris. The story only mentions cars for about ten seconds. That is NOT a realization that both sides need education about coexisting on the road. This story does nothing but reinforce the &#8220;outlaw&#8221; image of cyclists and deligitimizes them in the eyes of drivers.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2008/10/02/fox-news-austin-cyclists-are-the-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude!  Get a grip.  I was about to write a comment to Fox7 until I watched the newsclip.  Is there a problem with the idea that bikes need to follow the rules just like drivers?  I didn&#039;t hear a single statement in the report where cyclists were called out seperately from drivers as part of the problem.

If we expect others to be balanced and objective, we need to be, also.  Complaints about a reasonably balanced story just hurt our credibility as cyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude!  Get a grip.  I was about to write a comment to Fox7 until I watched the newsclip.  Is there a problem with the idea that bikes need to follow the rules just like drivers?  I didn&#8217;t hear a single statement in the report where cyclists were called out seperately from drivers as part of the problem.</p>
<p>If we expect others to be balanced and objective, we need to be, also.  Complaints about a reasonably balanced story just hurt our credibility as cyclists.</p>
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