Comments on: Bicycle Advisory Council Notes, 1-15-09 http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/16/bicycle-advisory-council-notes-1-15-09/ The Online Magazine of Austin Cycling Culture Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:04:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: marcus http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/16/bicycle-advisory-council-notes-1-15-09/comment-page-1/#comment-1369 marcus Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:46:39 +0000 http://austinbikeblog.org/?p=2503#comment-1369 Yep that's completely true, Mike. Yep that’s completely true, Mike.

]]> By: elliott http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/16/bicycle-advisory-council-notes-1-15-09/comment-page-1/#comment-1365 elliott Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:14:56 +0000 http://austinbikeblog.org/?p=2503#comment-1365 Mike, I was around back them, and I agree the Shoal Creek project was a lesson in how not to do things. It seemed like the City was so obsessed with making everyone happy, they made no one happy and the resulting project was crap. I think we need to realize most projects aren't going to make everyone happy. Instead, focus on the broader good and do it right or not do it at all. Mike,

I was around back them, and I agree the Shoal Creek project was a lesson in how not to do things. It seemed like the City was so obsessed with making everyone happy, they made no one happy and the resulting project was crap. I think we need to realize most projects aren’t going to make everyone happy. Instead, focus on the broader good and do it right or not do it at all.

]]> By: M1EK http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/16/bicycle-advisory-council-notes-1-15-09/comment-page-1/#comment-1364 M1EK Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:06:39 +0000 http://austinbikeblog.org/?p=2503#comment-1364 If you guys weren't around back then, and even if you were, I encourage you to read the sad story of the Shoal Creek Debacle, which has a lot of good stuff from the "cautionary tale" perspective. Start here: http://mdahmus.monkeysystems.com/blog/archives/cat_the_shoal_creek_debacle.html (in those articles, I have many links to stuff written by Michael Bluejay which fills in many gaps as well). If you guys weren’t around back then, and even if you were, I encourage you to read the sad story of the Shoal Creek Debacle, which has a lot of good stuff from the “cautionary tale” perspective.

Start here: http://mdahmus.monkeysystems.com/blog/archives/cat_the_shoal_creek_debacle.html

(in those articles, I have many links to stuff written by Michael Bluejay which fills in many gaps as well).

]]> By: elliott http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/16/bicycle-advisory-council-notes-1-15-09/comment-page-1/#comment-1331 elliott Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:28:23 +0000 http://austinbikeblog.org/?p=2503#comment-1331 Marcus, I totally agree with you on the 2030 or 2020 goal. The City of Austin is really good at setting goals that are 20-30 years down the road which has the benefit of making people feel good without having to immediately do anything. Unless there is a detailed time line with guideposts along the way, this removes a certain accountability in my opinion. People forget after a while that it was a goal, and the City does not make the progress promised. We saw this with renewal energy goals. I think if it can't be done in five years, don't promise it. Make goals more modest and actually deliver. Marcus,

I totally agree with you on the 2030 or 2020 goal. The City of Austin is really good at setting goals that are 20-30 years down the road which has the benefit of making people feel good without having to immediately do anything. Unless there is a detailed time line with guideposts along the way, this removes a certain accountability in my opinion. People forget after a while that it was a goal, and the City does not make the progress promised. We saw this with renewal energy goals. I think if it can’t be done in five years, don’t promise it. Make goals more modest and actually deliver.

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