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	<title>Comments on: Shifting Gears Luncheon, Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Bicycle Austin Blog &#187; Bicyclists take the stage at Riley kickoff</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/21/shifting-gears-luncheon-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1449</link>
		<dc:creator>Bicycle Austin Blog &#187; Bicyclists take the stage at Riley kickoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see extensive coverage of this event, which I found extremely inspiring, at Austin Bike Blog. (See: Part 1 and Part [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] see extensive coverage of this event, which I found extremely inspiring, at Austin Bike Blog. (See: Part 1 and Part [...]</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/21/shifting-gears-luncheon-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1429</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using my favorite roadtrip analogy:

1. You don&#039;t get the car to New York by insisting that, although we&#039;re heading west on I-10 and approaching the outskirts of El Paso, that everything&#039;s fine and we&#039;re on target for New York - although we may need to go even farther west to get there.

2. You also don&#039;t get the car to New York by letting the guy who read the map wrong the first time continue to think that he read it correctly and should therefore continue to navigate. You give the map to the guy who said you&#039;re supposed to be going northeast rather than west.

3. You also don&#039;t get that car to your destination by downplaying how far off course you went, or you might end up out of gas before you even get back to square one (Austin).

4. Finally, you don&#039;t get your goal by telling the people you&#039;re meeting in New York that you&#039;re still on schedule, even though you&#039;re now, at best, going to be two days late.

(1 = more investment in the Red Line, 2 = not identifying that commuter rail is the problem rather than the solution, 3 = not identifying that commuter rail prevents the 2000 LRT plan from being built, 4 = downplaying obstacles to getting rail on Guadalupe in the real world now that it can&#039;t continue northwest along 2000 alignment).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using my favorite roadtrip analogy:</p>
<p>1. You don&#8217;t get the car to New York by insisting that, although we&#8217;re heading west on I-10 and approaching the outskirts of El Paso, that everything&#8217;s fine and we&#8217;re on target for New York &#8211; although we may need to go even farther west to get there.</p>
<p>2. You also don&#8217;t get the car to New York by letting the guy who read the map wrong the first time continue to think that he read it correctly and should therefore continue to navigate. You give the map to the guy who said you&#8217;re supposed to be going northeast rather than west.</p>
<p>3. You also don&#8217;t get that car to your destination by downplaying how far off course you went, or you might end up out of gas before you even get back to square one (Austin).</p>
<p>4. Finally, you don&#8217;t get your goal by telling the people you&#8217;re meeting in New York that you&#8217;re still on schedule, even though you&#8217;re now, at best, going to be two days late.</p>
<p>(1 = more investment in the Red Line, 2 = not identifying that commuter rail is the problem rather than the solution, 3 = not identifying that commuter rail prevents the 2000 LRT plan from being built, 4 = downplaying obstacles to getting rail on Guadalupe in the real world now that it can&#8217;t continue northwest along 2000 alignment).</p>
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		<title>By: elliott</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/21/shifting-gears-luncheon-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1428</link>
		<dc:creator>elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
I&#039;m not mocking your point, I&#039;m mocking your self important and defeatist attitude. I actually mostly agree with you, but you aren&#039;t going to get anywhere telling people I told you so. And telling people we&#039;ve screwed the pooch and will never get real mass transit ain&#039;t exactly inspiring either. It is off putting and egotistical. 

I don&#039;t really give a crap who was wrong or right, let&#039;s just do it right and leave the egos behind. This is what our community deserves from our leaders. (Yes, Mike, you are a leader.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
I&#8217;m not mocking your point, I&#8217;m mocking your self important and defeatist attitude. I actually mostly agree with you, but you aren&#8217;t going to get anywhere telling people I told you so. And telling people we&#8217;ve screwed the pooch and will never get real mass transit ain&#8217;t exactly inspiring either. It is off putting and egotistical. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really give a crap who was wrong or right, let&#8217;s just do it right and leave the egos behind. This is what our community deserves from our leaders. (Yes, Mike, you are a leader.)</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/21/shifting-gears-luncheon-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice. Way to make your point.

The only path forward is to get whole-heartedly behind the CAMPO TWG rail plan (which, again, appears to be foundering). This plan, at least, can get trains on Guadalupe in 20 years or so (if it turns out to be a raging success, we can build north up Guadalupe from it). I have said so on numerous occasions.

But in order to be effective at that task, one must understand precisely what we&#039;ve already gotten ourselves into rather than mocking those who were right all along. Otherwise, we&#039;ll waste our energy like Tri-Rail did, spending all our time double-tracking a rail line from nowhere to nowhere (see Note), rather than figuring out how to make the trains actually go _some_where.

You can&#039;t get to (rail on Guadalupe) from (expand and extend commuter rail). It&#039;s like trying to get to New York by first driving to El Paso. You, first, have to admit that you&#039;re going the wrong direction, and turn around.

Note: This is not hypothetical. Capital Metro is actually trying to do this. One of their stimulus proposals is for the Feds to kick in money to double-track the Red Line, as if that somehow makes it magically go to UT or the Capitol or even most of downtown. And Capital Metro&#039;s SECOND priority right now is the Green Line - a commuter line from Elgin to the Convention Center.  Their third priority, apparently, is Rapid Bus, which should have a [sic] after the Rapid, since it&#039;s completely useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice. Way to make your point.</p>
<p>The only path forward is to get whole-heartedly behind the CAMPO TWG rail plan (which, again, appears to be foundering). This plan, at least, can get trains on Guadalupe in 20 years or so (if it turns out to be a raging success, we can build north up Guadalupe from it). I have said so on numerous occasions.</p>
<p>But in order to be effective at that task, one must understand precisely what we&#8217;ve already gotten ourselves into rather than mocking those who were right all along. Otherwise, we&#8217;ll waste our energy like Tri-Rail did, spending all our time double-tracking a rail line from nowhere to nowhere (see Note), rather than figuring out how to make the trains actually go _some_where.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t get to (rail on Guadalupe) from (expand and extend commuter rail). It&#8217;s like trying to get to New York by first driving to El Paso. You, first, have to admit that you&#8217;re going the wrong direction, and turn around.</p>
<p>Note: This is not hypothetical. Capital Metro is actually trying to do this. One of their stimulus proposals is for the Feds to kick in money to double-track the Red Line, as if that somehow makes it magically go to UT or the Capitol or even most of downtown. And Capital Metro&#8217;s SECOND priority right now is the Green Line &#8211; a commuter line from Elgin to the Convention Center.  Their third priority, apparently, is Rapid Bus, which should have a [sic] after the Rapid, since it&#8217;s completely useless.</p>
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		<title>By: elliott</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/21/shifting-gears-luncheon-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1422</link>
		<dc:creator>elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Mike. We are all doomed. I think I&#039;m just going to give up and go home and play Russian roulette.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Mike. We are all doomed. I think I&#8217;m just going to give up and go home and play Russian roulette.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/21/shifting-gears-luncheon-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1421</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elliott,

It&#039;s not just political will - it&#039;s the fact that the Feds won&#039;t kick in for a project without very good bang-for-the-buck (which we now can&#039;t get on the #1 route for a variety of reasons related to commuter rail). It&#039;s the fact that nobody with any political instincts at all will support giving up automobile lanes on Guadalupe for a mere 10-15,000 riders per day (it was hard enough to get people on board when it was going to be the full 46,000 per day; you won&#039;t get anywhere near that many riders when there&#039;s a transfer involved). It&#039;s the fact that Capital Metro has wasted a ton of energy and money on Rapid Bus (inertia which will be hard to overcome).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elliott,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just political will &#8211; it&#8217;s the fact that the Feds won&#8217;t kick in for a project without very good bang-for-the-buck (which we now can&#8217;t get on the #1 route for a variety of reasons related to commuter rail). It&#8217;s the fact that nobody with any political instincts at all will support giving up automobile lanes on Guadalupe for a mere 10-15,000 riders per day (it was hard enough to get people on board when it was going to be the full 46,000 per day; you won&#8217;t get anywhere near that many riders when there&#8217;s a transfer involved). It&#8217;s the fact that Capital Metro has wasted a ton of energy and money on Rapid Bus (inertia which will be hard to overcome).</p>
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		<title>By: elliott</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/21/shifting-gears-luncheon-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1420</link>
		<dc:creator>elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
Leave the creation of political will on this to the professionals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
Leave the creation of political will on this to the professionals.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/21/shifting-gears-luncheon-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1419</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1 bus route north of the river, that is. South Congress could theoretically get reserved-guideway streetcar as part of an eventual extension to the initial CAMPO TWG plan, except it appears to be foundering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1 bus route north of the river, that is. South Congress could theoretically get reserved-guideway streetcar as part of an eventual extension to the initial CAMPO TWG plan, except it appears to be foundering.</p>
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		<title>By: M1EK</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/21/shifting-gears-luncheon-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1418</link>
		<dc:creator>M1EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elliott, have you ever read my blog? There are numerous fundamental practical reasons why building commuter rail means we will now never (for reasonable lengths of &#039;never&#039;) have reserved guideway transit service on the #1 bus route.

http://mdahmus.monkeysystems.com/blog/archives/000558.html

Links from here are good jumping-off points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elliott, have you ever read my blog? There are numerous fundamental practical reasons why building commuter rail means we will now never (for reasonable lengths of &#8216;never&#8217;) have reserved guideway transit service on the #1 bus route.</p>
<p><a href="http://mdahmus.monkeysystems.com/blog/archives/000558.html" rel="nofollow">http://mdahmus.monkeysystems.com/blog/archives/000558.html</a></p>
<p>Links from here are good jumping-off points.</p>
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		<title>By: elliott</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/01/21/shifting-gears-luncheon-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-1417</link>
		<dc:creator>elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 18:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
I don&#039;t think commuter rail dooms us in any way. Marcus and I were political consultants on the 2004 campaign, and while I agree with you that it was not the best first line to establish services with, it was easy to pass. The political reality is that I know of no community in recent times that refused to expand rail service once it was re-established (Dallas just keeps adding lines.) Capital Metro choose the path of least resistance to establish rail service. The current line is by no means my first choice for rail service (2000 would have been tons better for immediate ridership and renewed urban in-fill.) However, I expect it will be extremely popular and Austinities will want more which would pave the way for better lines (especially if the federal transportation authorization bill that passes this spring has more rail/transit focus as many believe it will have.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
I don&#8217;t think commuter rail dooms us in any way. Marcus and I were political consultants on the 2004 campaign, and while I agree with you that it was not the best first line to establish services with, it was easy to pass. The political reality is that I know of no community in recent times that refused to expand rail service once it was re-established (Dallas just keeps adding lines.) Capital Metro choose the path of least resistance to establish rail service. The current line is by no means my first choice for rail service (2000 would have been tons better for immediate ridership and renewed urban in-fill.) However, I expect it will be extremely popular and Austinities will want more which would pave the way for better lines (especially if the federal transportation authorization bill that passes this spring has more rail/transit focus as many believe it will have.)</p>
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