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	<title>Comments on: Opposition to Nueces Street Bike Boulevard bring up same misleading concerns at UTC meeting</title>
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		<title>By: elliott</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2010/02/11/opposition-to-nueces-street-bike-boulevard-bring-up-same-concerns-at-utc-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-7056</link>
		<dc:creator>elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
Neither the City of Austin toolbox nor the League of Bicycling Voters proposal for a Nueces Bike Boulevard block current vehicle access to any of the properties on the proposed route. I used to work at MLK and West while I live south. Nueces is an awful cut through street with stop lights or stop signs at nearly every corner. Guadalupe/Lavaca are much faster streets to get to and from downtown. I don&#039;t understand how this would hurt your business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Neither the City of Austin toolbox nor the League of Bicycling Voters proposal for a Nueces Bike Boulevard block current vehicle access to any of the properties on the proposed route. I used to work at MLK and West while I live south. Nueces is an awful cut through street with stop lights or stop signs at nearly every corner. Guadalupe/Lavaca are much faster streets to get to and from downtown. I don&#8217;t understand how this would hurt your business?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a delivery driver, my cash flow to support myself would be hurt if i couldn&#039;t readily access the businesses and condos on nueces st, one of the shortest routes to and from downtown as well, i would probably become one of those bums on the street if it werent for my delivery job. consider that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a delivery driver, my cash flow to support myself would be hurt if i couldn&#8217;t readily access the businesses and condos on nueces st, one of the shortest routes to and from downtown as well, i would probably become one of those bums on the street if it werent for my delivery job. consider that</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2010/02/11/opposition-to-nueces-street-bike-boulevard-bring-up-same-concerns-at-utc-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-7034</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben defined FUD nicely.

As for people advocating increasing bike counts on Nueces St. during the study period, I&#039;m not saying that a single person said that.  But Copp may have misunderstood the purpose of the Nuts for Nueces ride.

(But really, if you want to know what he&#039;s talking about, I guess the thing to do is to ask him.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben defined FUD nicely.</p>
<p>As for people advocating increasing bike counts on Nueces St. during the study period, I&#8217;m not saying that a single person said that.  But Copp may have misunderstood the purpose of the Nuts for Nueces ride.</p>
<p>(But really, if you want to know what he&#8217;s talking about, I guess the thing to do is to ask him.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2010/02/11/opposition-to-nueces-street-bike-boulevard-bring-up-same-concerns-at-utc-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-7014</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 15:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FUD = F.ear U.ncertainty &amp; D.oubt - It&#039;s a sales term.  You can generate sales by increasing the fear, uncertainity &amp; doubt in your customers mind, leading them to believe they need to buy now, or else (insert random calamity here) will happen.

It&#039;s used a lot by politicians and news outlets as well.  But I&#039;d argue they&#039;re trying to sell you something as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUD = F.ear U.ncertainty &amp; D.oubt &#8211; It&#8217;s a sales term.  You can generate sales by increasing the fear, uncertainity &amp; doubt in your customers mind, leading them to believe they need to buy now, or else (insert random calamity here) will happen.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s used a lot by politicians and news outlets as well.  But I&#8217;d argue they&#8217;re trying to sell you something as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Wald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Wald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug sez: &quot;As for the Nuts for Nueces ride, I didn’t say it was accurate, only that it might be what he’s referring to. (FUD works much better if there’s a grain of truth in there, and yes, people did talk about riding on Nueces on a specific date on their blogs. Perhaps that was the wrong date, perhaps it was just an innocent ride/rally, but hey, he made a mistake, how should he know why they rode?)&quot;

What is &quot;FUD&quot;?  Is there a URL/link that you could point me to?  I&#039;m still looking for even a single reference to people advocating increasing bike counts on Nueces St. during the study period.  If I haven&#039;t heard of it and I can&#039;t find it, then I remain doubtful that Greg Copp found such a source.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug sez: &#8220;As for the Nuts for Nueces ride, I didn’t say it was accurate, only that it might be what he’s referring to. (FUD works much better if there’s a grain of truth in there, and yes, people did talk about riding on Nueces on a specific date on their blogs. Perhaps that was the wrong date, perhaps it was just an innocent ride/rally, but hey, he made a mistake, how should he know why they rode?)&#8221;</p>
<p>What is &#8220;FUD&#8221;?  Is there a URL/link that you could point me to?  I&#8217;m still looking for even a single reference to people advocating increasing bike counts on Nueces St. during the study period.  If I haven&#8217;t heard of it and I can&#8217;t find it, then I remain doubtful that Greg Copp found such a source.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2010/02/11/opposition-to-nueces-street-bike-boulevard-bring-up-same-concerns-at-utc-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-6996</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t recall the opponents saying their land would be worthless -- only that it would lose some value, that they&#039;d lose some business.

Looking forward to your more detailed analysis ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t recall the opponents saying their land would be worthless &#8212; only that it would lose some value, that they&#8217;d lose some business.</p>
<p>Looking forward to your more detailed analysis &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,
I don&#039;t remember exactly when it was put in but it was within the last decade, at least 5 years ago. The key here is the divert and other traffic calming did not kill the street. 2 new high rise condos went in within after the traffic calming and there are new businesses (one restaurant that went in about a month ago) opening on Rainey. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong. The CBD zoning did more to increase the value of the land than anything. It&#039;s just that opponents are saying their land will be worthless for redevelopment or business if traffic calming is put in, and in this case, a similar neighborhood catty corner had none of these ill effects. Whether it improved the value is uncertain but it didn&#039;t devalue the land or prevent new development.

I&#039;m going to try to get some more detailed analysis for an article in the next week or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,<br />
I don&#8217;t remember exactly when it was put in but it was within the last decade, at least 5 years ago. The key here is the divert and other traffic calming did not kill the street. 2 new high rise condos went in within after the traffic calming and there are new businesses (one restaurant that went in about a month ago) opening on Rainey. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong. The CBD zoning did more to increase the value of the land than anything. It&#8217;s just that opponents are saying their land will be worthless for redevelopment or business if traffic calming is put in, and in this case, a similar neighborhood catty corner had none of these ill effects. Whether it improved the value is uncertain but it didn&#8217;t devalue the land or prevent new development.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to try to get some more detailed analysis for an article in the next week or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2010/02/11/opposition-to-nueces-street-bike-boulevard-bring-up-same-concerns-at-utc-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-6994</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When were these diverters and other changes put in?  If it was 20 years ago, then the analogy with Nueces would then be complete.  If it was recent, then the analogy isn&#039;t complete, and it&#039;s going to be hard to accurately determine any changes in property values.

(It&#039;s not like the Travis County Appraisal District is known for accurately working out property values.  And besides, they tend to go up over time anyways so a small hit in property values could easily be masked by increasing property values.  Knowing TCAD, they&#039;d ignore any changes to the area and simply add a few percent to last year&#039;s values.)

Is there a study to be read done on the property values in this area?  How was any lack of changes in property values determined?

But it&#039;s not really property values they should be worried about -- it&#039;s their business.  Have all the businesses near the calming measures been asked about what effect they&#039;ve had on their business?  (A study?)  If they have, and they generally report no change or an improvement, then that would begin to suggest that these changes wouldn&#039;t have much negative effect, and should be more convincing than the studies done elsewhere.  Though these changes are pretty minor compared to what&#039;s proposed for Nueces ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When were these diverters and other changes put in?  If it was 20 years ago, then the analogy with Nueces would then be complete.  If it was recent, then the analogy isn&#8217;t complete, and it&#8217;s going to be hard to accurately determine any changes in property values.</p>
<p>(It&#8217;s not like the Travis County Appraisal District is known for accurately working out property values.  And besides, they tend to go up over time anyways so a small hit in property values could easily be masked by increasing property values.  Knowing TCAD, they&#8217;d ignore any changes to the area and simply add a few percent to last year&#8217;s values.)</p>
<p>Is there a study to be read done on the property values in this area?  How was any lack of changes in property values determined?</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not really property values they should be worried about &#8212; it&#8217;s their business.  Have all the businesses near the calming measures been asked about what effect they&#8217;ve had on their business?  (A study?)  If they have, and they generally report no change or an improvement, then that would begin to suggest that these changes wouldn&#8217;t have much negative effect, and should be more convincing than the studies done elsewhere.  Though these changes are pretty minor compared to what&#8217;s proposed for Nueces &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: elliott</title>
		<link>http://austinontwowheels.org/2010/02/11/opposition-to-nueces-street-bike-boulevard-bring-up-same-concerns-at-utc-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-6993</link>
		<dc:creator>elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug,
Davis is a diverter off Rainey Street. Before the traffic calming was put there, the neighborhood was a major cut through from downtown to I-35. I worked for over a year at MLK and West and I know that Nueces can be a cut through for Guadalupe when rush hour traffic gets backed up.

Rainey Street is essentially Nueces Street about 20 years ago. Much of it is residential but it is zoned CBD and most of the properties are owned by commerical developers. Several homes have been converted to restaurants and office space, and the traffic calming did nothing to prevent 2 high rise condos from being built at the other end of the street. 

So,
1. traffic calming did nothing to reduce the value of the land
2. traffic calming did nothing to prevent high density development

These are the main arguments of Susan Harris which are flat out not the case in a street that is a transitional neighborhood from downtown as Nueces Street is. I&#039;d argue the traffic calming added value but the CBD zoning did that more than anything. The key here is that it did not prevent the very changes Susan says she&#039;s for in re-development of her own property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,<br />
Davis is a diverter off Rainey Street. Before the traffic calming was put there, the neighborhood was a major cut through from downtown to I-35. I worked for over a year at MLK and West and I know that Nueces can be a cut through for Guadalupe when rush hour traffic gets backed up.</p>
<p>Rainey Street is essentially Nueces Street about 20 years ago. Much of it is residential but it is zoned CBD and most of the properties are owned by commerical developers. Several homes have been converted to restaurants and office space, and the traffic calming did nothing to prevent 2 high rise condos from being built at the other end of the street. </p>
<p>So,<br />
1. traffic calming did nothing to reduce the value of the land<br />
2. traffic calming did nothing to prevent high density development</p>
<p>These are the main arguments of Susan Harris which are flat out not the case in a street that is a transitional neighborhood from downtown as Nueces Street is. I&#8217;d argue the traffic calming added value but the CBD zoning did that more than anything. The key here is that it did not prevent the very changes Susan says she&#8217;s for in re-development of her own property.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bike Plan passes with unanimous support and a $20 million commitment
http://bikeportland.org/2010/02/11/the-bike-plan-live-from-city-council/#more-29391

I feel like we&#039;re going backwards sometimes here in Austin.  This much grief over a few traffic diverters.  It all seems so ridiculous.  We should be where Portland is now.  

We don&#039;t need a committee.  We need the city to take charge and just build it.  They don&#039;t ask for permission when they decide they need to build a crosswalk for the safety and benefit of a neighborhood.  

If the city has decided we need a bike blvd for the safety and benefit of the city, they need to stop asking for permission and just do it.  That&#039;s their job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bike Plan passes with unanimous support and a $20 million commitment<br />
<a href="http://bikeportland.org/2010/02/11/the-bike-plan-live-from-city-council/#more-29391" rel="nofollow">http://bikeportland.org/2010/02/11/the-bike-plan-live-from-city-council/#more-29391</a></p>
<p>I feel like we&#8217;re going backwards sometimes here in Austin.  This much grief over a few traffic diverters.  It all seems so ridiculous.  We should be where Portland is now.  </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need a committee.  We need the city to take charge and just build it.  They don&#8217;t ask for permission when they decide they need to build a crosswalk for the safety and benefit of a neighborhood.  </p>
<p>If the city has decided we need a bike blvd for the safety and benefit of the city, they need to stop asking for permission and just do it.  That&#8217;s their job.</p>
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